Who knew it would provoke such a pile on? I almost feel badly for Piz…except not really. He could have at least put his fucking arm around Veronica and told her the people she went to school with were assholes, instead of declaring Neptune a ‘hellmouth’…
I am not one of the Piz haters, okay? I am one of the few people who enjoys Piz and also ships LoVe. And I think in this case, it’s actually okay to question what the hell was going on in his head.
I dont think he needed to throw a blanket around her and make her a cup of cocoa, but he could have at least given her a look to check that she was okay. He didn’t even need to say anything, it could have been communicated non-verbally. She was his long term girlfriend. Most people would be concerned, even if their girlfriend was tough as nails. Presumably, he would have been aware of her rape and sexual harassment at the hands of a Neptune High at this point in their relationship.
I get that Piz was also in the video, but he doesn’t know these people, this isn’t his reunion, so it’s not the same level of embarrassment that it is for Veronica. And even if Veronica isn’t outwardly embarrassed and is acting tough, there’s nobody on Earth who would be okay with having their personal sex session broadcasted to a bunch of people they know.
Nobody was expecting Piz to bash heads like Logan would do, but a short non-verbal exchange between them would have been welcome, and I don’t think it would have been out of character for either of them. It just seemed weird for Wallace and Logan to be freaking out about it while Piz just stood there and shook his head like “Whelp, this sucks, ammiright?”
To the first part that I bolded, that is absolutely NOT something that I would presume. Not by a longshot. In fact, I’d be kinda shocked if Piz DID know anything about Veronica’s rape or harassment unless it was something that Wallace told him about and I can’t see Wallace telling him other than to say, “Ask Veronica,” to which Veronica would respond, “Long story, kinda boring, not necessary for you to know,” and dismiss it. It’s not something she’d volunteer and being out of Neptune, I can’t see her even remotely thinking there’s any reason he needs to know and that info is VERY much on a need to know basis for her. And once in NYC, it would be compartmentalized into the “This never needs to be brought up or thought of again” box.
For the second? After how Piz responded with the karma thing in the cafeteria, I kinda think the “Whelp, this sucks, ammiright?” deal IS in character for him. He’s just…clueless. I don’t even think he gets that he SHOULD react.
You know, it’s interesting. Veronica seems a lot more emotionally in the book and movie with Logan than she does on the show, so I assume that it translated to all aspects of her life. If she really did live with Piz (as the script would suggest), I honestly think it would be odd that she wouldn’t have shared the story of her rape with him.
I mean, she shared it with Parker, who was a stranger at the time, and I kind of felt like that was a turning point for her in dealing with her assault. Maybe it was the first time she’d said it aloud (besides to Logan, in the heat of the moment)?
She seemed softer to me in the movie, nine years on, and as much as Piz was the wrong by for her, I don’t doubt she trusted him. I think she would trust him with that kind of information, so we’ll have to disagree on that point. In my head canon, he definitely knew about the rape. Hiding it from him would only make her feel like a victim.
As for his reaction…I could be wrong, IDK. But his reaction in the cafeteria was not an in the moment thing like the reunion. It was after the fact. He wasn’t in the process of being humiliated. I get where you’re coming from, so maybe you’re right about that.
She’s definitely softer in the movie and book, TOWARDS LOGAN. I really don’t see her as softer toward anyone else. She’s affectionate toward Piz but she’s also holding him at arm’s length. And while she lets her dad, Wallace, and Mac SEE her (the real her), I also felt like she was feeling them out at the same time. They’ve been apart a long time, a lot of things have changed, how has their relationship changed kind of thing. Very much HER against the world, outside of Logan. I really think that Logan is the ONLY person she truly CAN’T hide things with because he DOES see right through her. Piz has always been oblivious and never one to ask about her or anything going on with her, like, at all. He was maybe a little more aware in the movie but not by much. I think he tried, like in the taxi at the beginning, but she shut him out.
I don’t think she’d consider it to be hiding anything from him to not tell him about her rape. I also don’t think it would make her feel like a victim to not tell him. I think it would make her feel in control of her choices. She wouldn’t want him to pity her or consider her a victim so she’d choose to hold that part of her past back. She might even consider that if she told him, she’d be allowing it to in some way define her and she’d never want that. I’d also think that when he did ask about growing up or whatever, she’d tell him about being the outcast and how that strengthened her and just leave it at that. Details aren’t her thing. At least not when talking about herself.
I just think that there’s a reason that their relationship wasn’t working and that she was likely the reason. Her and her hangups that she refused to address, refused to face. Yeah it’s been 9 years which is why she’s now able to go back and face a lot of things but I really don’t think there’s a lot that she examined about herself before going back to Neptune. She was still running from it and from herself.
As for her telling Parker about her rape, I didn’t feel like that was so much a turning point as something she considered a necessary evil. Parker wasn’t getting it. Parker was being downright hostile when V was trying to help her. Exposing her own history was done out of frustration to try to MAKE Parker understand V’s intentions because Parker just wasn’t going to get it any other way.
Not saying that we can’t agree to disagree, just wanted to explain where I’m coming from. :)
I would be absolutely, positively stunned if she told Piz ANYTHING about what happened to her when she was a teenager. She’s never even told Keith. Actually, while Wallace knows what happened to the point of Duncan’s involvement and Parker knows she was roofied and raped by someone (and both of those were kind of “in the moment” revelations- she was still utterly crushed and horrified by the confrontation with Duncan where Wallace was concerned, and she was impulsively angry and frustrated that Parker thought she didn’t care about a rape crime), does anyone other than Logan know the extent of Cassidy’s involvement? And that’s only because he was there on the rooftop. I don’t think Veronica would see herself as a victim by hiding it- Veronica simply doesn’t extensively share (or share much at all, really) when it comes to this topic. It’s not about whether or not she trusts Piz- I don’t think she DISTRUSTS him or anything, but this is not something she opens up about. And despite their joint apartment, Veronica had not met his friends or his parents during their entire relationship- I just can’t see her sitting him down to confide in him about being raped.
I have to come down firmly in agreement with cristofle and elschaaf here. I don’t see Veronica and Piz ever discussing this. I don’t think it has anything to do with trust or growth, I just don’t see her feeling it is relevant.
This is another aspect of having Logan in her life again, there’s so much she doesn’t need to tell him because he already knows and, for some reason or another, call this the real growth, she accepts him talking to her about it. Because she accepts him seeing that part of her. It’s the calm she talks about in the book. Finally being free to be herself, both the good and the not-so-good, without fear of letting
I don’t think she told Piz, just because I feel like meeting your coworkers comes before discussing your past sexual assaults.
(Oh, and telling Parker? NOT the same. She told Parker because she empathized with Parker about Parker’s attack, not because of some revelation about her own assault.)
Reblogging to highlight disdainfullady's awesome tags.
"Parker parker parker" indeed!
Clearly I have been outvoted on the Piz thing. I am holding up my two fingers in ‘missio’ (the Gladiator sparring sign for surrender)! I guess I was just optimistic about Veronica’s personal development over the years, but HA. Noir, etc.
I will step away from that theory, warm in the knowledge that at least not one of you contradicted my ‘Duncan is the worst person on Earth’ post. Because he is. The worst.